Darlene Smith - Dars Dobermans
my name came up on their sight by someone looking to buy a
doberman pup from me. boy did i get bashed by people who never met me, never saw
my dogs, never heard of me. knew nothing of me. yet claimed they did.
dobermantalk is well known for bad mouthing everyone. most say just stay away
from that sight. its a nasty joke. now that i know who is behind this sight.
yes, we won't be spending any money there way.
Wendy G. Moss - Doberman Rescue Alliance Inc.
Those who bash all breeders have lost sight of the fact that
if breeders don't exist our chosen breeds become extinct. I dislike bad breeding
practices as much as the next guy, but all breeders are not bad.
Anne Grimm - Kimbertal Kennels
The dobermantalk forum is definitely a tight little clique and
not for the faint of heart. In our long 80+ page "discussion" people threatened
to follow me home and get to my kids so they know "what I do"??? They threatened
to come in black and tan KKK robes and walk around the parking lot and kennels
every Saturday. They also sent PMs to each other with info on me and then made
vague comments about it on line without ever saying what info they were giving
out. If they can not justify their hearsay they try and intimidate those who do
not agree or ban you. There are other forums with more open minds and a much
WilsonsMom - Doberman Talk can best be described as a casting call for the
movie "Best in Show". As someone new to dobermans, I initially found the site
when conducting due diligence on Steve Parsons / Family Dobes prior to
purchasing my puppy. Initially, I was absolutely horrified at the things I read
and to be completely honest, I almost cancelled the sale. But something just
didn't sit right with me. I have had conversations with Steve Parsons over the
past few years and could not believe that my own impression of him could be so
far off base. Then I dug a little deeper and read all the posts written by the
DT users most critical of him and it became readily apparent that these were
ignorant people who had nothing nice to say about anyone other than a chosen few
who could do no wrong. The majority of their criticisms were in direct
contradiction of what I knew of Steve and his breeding program so I decided to
follow my gut and purchased my little guy from Family Dobes anyway and I thank
God every day that I did. Steve Parsons has exceeded every expectation I could
ever have. He has held my hand, been an invaluable resource on every level and
has always been available for every rookie question I have ever asked of him and
this magnificent pup he blessed me with is the joy of my life.
Having had sufficient direct experience with Steve to state with certainty that
the DT posts were wholly untrue, I reported several of the posts that, as an
attorney, I believed were clearly defamatory and obviously violated DT's terms
of use and "Manifesto". Absolutely no action was taken. I contacted the
administrator and asked her under what circumstances violative posts would be
removed and under whose discretion such decisions were made. I received no
response. I left messages at VeticalScopes corporate office requesting a
discussion with their general counsel. Again, no response. But when I made a
post defending Steve, I was told I was not welcome on the site and when I made a
post asking if one of their beloved breeders was disclosing that she had
cryptorchidism in her bloodlines, I was banned. Anyone seeking to verify any of
this may review my posts on DT under the user name "Wilsonsmom".
In addition, I have seen moderators post a user's private email address and name
and instructing all breeders not to sell this person a dog when such user called
them out for being idiots. I am preparing a form letter that anyone can sign and
send to the management of the DT site expressing their outrage of the forum's
content and behaviour of the administrator. Please private message me for a copy
Coffee drinker with sticky keyboard (HBWright
Moderator at Dobermantalk)
Reading DT made me spit coffee all over my keyboard and I want
VerticalScope to replace it for me. I rely on my keyboard to make a living and
now the keys keep sticking, dramaticaly cutting down my paycheck. My dog also
has something sticky on her back and I wonder if it might be coffee too. I think
they should also cover the cost of having my dog professionally groomed and
throw in a free nail clipping for good measure.
Keith - Idlewild Doberman Kennel
My kennel has been savaged by these ill-mannered people for
two years now. I'm talking publicly savaged across the world wide web even in
Europe. It was so bad a year ago I considered closing my kennel website and even
thought of just closing shop. No telling how many people know me only from these
public slams on the internet. I have a lot of money and time invested in my
kennel and I am being ripped apart personally by name in every search engine out
there every day. And these filthy attacks are being perpetuated by people who hide their real identity behind chat room
names with no personal information nor any titling championships with nothing to lose. This is the day to day routine at dobermantalk with
the webmaster, administrator and the moderators grinning ear to ear - They enjoy bashing breeders!
I only found out about this "Beware" website last week and I am so happy to see
it in operation. But before I found this "Beware" website I had been doing my
own investigating of these so called dobermantalk forum folk's and here's what
I've found: Dobermantalk.com is owned by an ad agency whose real agenda is to
sell ads and sell merchandising. This is why they push those cups, t-shirts,
hats and anything else they can sell. This dobermantalk website is really more
of a store front for the ad agency while the people on the Dobermantalk forum are not noteworthy dog people at all. Point in
fact - there is not one major Doberman kennel anywhere who supports or stands by
the dobermantalk forum. Apparently they have hired web specialists to get their
name brand in on all search engines connecting to the Doberman Pinscher Industry
and they have hired researchers to fill their web pages with Doberman topics and
information as if they are an authority on any of it and they are not. There is
nothing in their web pages that I haven't already seen in other places. Looks to
me like they may even borrow their information word for word on certain pages.
Any industry professional in any industry knows you never allow hateful talk to be spewed from your company into public settings. And BTW,
Google is a public setting.
To sit back and allow this garbage talk to become attached to Google and Yahoo
search listings daily, well you know there has to be a real management problem
and a moderator problem goes without saying - but there are REAL people being hurt and also their livelihoods! The one time I went on to this
forum to please ask that they delete the mistruths they had splattered all over
several search engines about my kennel not health testing, two or three forum
beasties ganged up on me ripping my kennel because they disliked my Dobermans.
In fact the moderator even joined in and said I did not belong there and I
should give Altobello Kennel his sugar. That remark felt pretty creepy, I don't
know exactly what it meant,probably stick it, but I knew it was time for me to
go with nothing accomplished. Also you may have noticed that to dobermantalk
everybody they decide to dislike is a puppy mill. So puppy mill must be their
race card, and I find that weak and pathetic.
Dobermantalk.com has indeed shown itself to be a dark and negative force here in
our midst, a cancer for our entire Doberman Pinscher industry. I believe this
"Beware" website will continue to grow and I hope one of these victims or maybe
even all of us together can one day just shut them up or shut them down! The place is unblievable, if you doubt any word in this post, go and look for yourself.
- A number of years ago when I first got on the internet I
signed up with DT. thinking I would find useful info. That was a joke. I found
so much bashing of other people. then last year someone emailed me and said that
my website was being bashed by DT. I went up and was appalled at what I read.
People that did not know me, did not know my dogs or the testing I have done
with my dogs.They were trashing them just because they were different than
there's. They had much misinformation and when I tried to give them scientific
facts they rejected them. Calling me a greeder and one even said she wished she
could bash my head in and bury me. There were many more comments as well. when I
did some research on another breeder a few months back I found bashing of this
breeder because she bred the solid Black. And in looking I have seen some
bashing on breeders that breed showlines and have some top dogs. Just because a
person does not like something should be no reason to bash them. Learn the
facts. Stay up to date with current research on the Creams, Blacks and any other
color that might crop up. Evolution and breeding can and does make many changes
in the breed. I have been breeding for 40+ years. And have some wonderful dogs
and lines. I breed for Therapy, companion, and protection dogs. And our puppy
buyers love there dogs. It is sad when a site will let things like what goes on,
on DT to continue. I will no longer buy from anything from anyone associated
with this site.
Anonymous - Myself, my dogs, my site, and my kennel were all brutalized by
members of DT, including the moderator. My experience with DT is that these
members are vicious and seek to destroy anyone who disagrees with their point of
view. To disagree with this small clique you are heckled, defamed and then
banned. These people need to be held accountable for the damages they create and
the reputations they seek to ruin. They will research you and defame you any
chance they get. I do not know of any one big kennel they have not attacked. Do
a google search with a big doberman kennel name and then Dobermantalk and you
will see what I mean. I think the US Dept of Justice needs to get involved and
investigate this outfit and bring to justice these individuals that are setting
out to destroy people, their reputations and livelihood. I believe only they
have the resources to do it. These people really need to be stopped!
I am horrified at the introduction that most new members with
pups who joing DT looking for support are ridiculed and judged an idiot for
supporting a BYB because they did not buy from one of the DT Rubber stamped
HERE! HERE! Good luck - and I hope this works! I am so tired
of the "toxic" dumps called pet forums. It's not just the Doberman breed - it's
all the breeds. You have a bunch of trolls that sit at their little computers
and spew hate and dissent like they are sitting on their little Thrones! They
are internet bullies - belittling anyone and everyone that is not part of their
little clicks. They give no good information - only their version of the TRUTH
of ANY breed! If you don't fit into their pigeon hole of what "they" think a
breeder should be or do - look out. I was thrown off of several forums -
including one on yahoo - for sticking up for Kimbertal Kennels and a few others.
I was told the same thing by the moderator - "it was educating the public".
These nasty little forums have taken "free speech" to a new low.
Having shown and bred dogs for many years - I can tell you where this comes
from, it's those little jerks in the show ring that don't have a pot to piss in,
that stand there each weekend and watch those that they hate take the points
that they feel their crap dogs deserve...they envy those that have put in the
hard work and money to accomplish something in the breed for decades! The ONLY
thing they have that they can use - is their form of lies!
I am thrilled that someone is standing up to these Gestapo tactics!
I am a hobby breeder. I show my dogs conformation and breed
very infrequently. My dogs are not albinos nor do they have any WZ in any of the
lines. My dogs are ALL health tested and handled by prof. handlers. I find the
people on dobermantalk offensive. Albeit they are passionate about the doberman
breed, they do not have the right to slander others in the fashion that they
have in the past and have evidently done up until present. I was a member of DT
years ago and will never post on their site again. It is a shame that they treat
others with such disrepect. Anyone buying a pup from a breeder needs to evaluate
the breeder in person and make up their own mind. Require references from the
breeder from previous customers, make sure the facility is clean, puppies are
well taken care of, willing to take puppies back if owner cannot keep, and stand
behind what they put on the ground. Take what dobermantalk says with a grain of
salt. The forum was designed to help people learn more about the breed. It's
unfortunately turned into a "My way or the highway" attitude among certain
April Ward -
I am not even sure where to start about Doberman talk! I take
great pride in my dogs and my breeding program. I do everything I can to test
for disease. prove the worthiness of my dogs for breeding- we compete in AKC
Obed, Rally, Agility, and we are involved in Schutzhund and tracking. I have
European dogs so AKC championships are not in our cards but we will be showing
in the seiger shows to pursue that as well. We test for cardio, thyroid, CERF
eye exams, hips, brucellosis and I also do full blodd panels on ALL of my dogs.
My point in writing this isn't to sell my dogs, I already have a waiting list
for my puppies. My point is the DT people still decided I was a worthless
breeder, uneducated and had no business breeding. They tried to rip apart my
dogs and the stud I am using for my next litter. Saying that the only reason I
was using that dog was because I owned him, the funny thing is on my website it
states who the owner of the dog is. They will try anything to make anyone out of
their circle look bad. And they will through out half-truths, and straight out
lies to make their "point". Please do your own research and look for what is
important to you about the breeder you choose I wish I had the time to tear
apart their breeding lines, but I spend my time with my dogs, not my computer.
It is an absolute shame that Dobermantalk, which expresses
itself as an educational site for doberman enthusiasts, actually trolls the
internet for breeders and then bashes them online. I have even been told that
breeders have received phone calls from members of dobermantalk, calling to
inquire if they have puppies, and then reporting it back on the forum. If that
aint trolling, I dont know what is! If you post a question that they dont like,
they start an arguement, post those retarded smilies making fun of the poster,
or refer to them as trouble makers. I find no "education" in criticizing a
breeder because they dont follow certain regimens established by the idiots on
I give many kudos to the person who created THIS website.
Just goes to show how horribly they effect the breeders they slander. You need
to post to help stop it. Remember... once they slander you as a breeder, it is
on the internet and it's there forever! You cant get it off! Uneducated
prospective puppy people see what they write, well you can say bye-bye to that
puppy person. If you are a puppy person, looking to buy a puppy, please take
what the idiots on dobermantalk say with a huge grain of salt! Check out the
other forums to ask your questions. By all means, I am not saying there arent
horrible, unethical breeders out there... but they make EVERY breeder to look
that way. Furthermore, I hope the advertisers or sponsors of that DT forum step
up and do the right thing and support the OTHER doberman forums on the internet.
The ones that promote positive doberman ownership!
I am just as passionate about the doberman breed as the next person, if not
more. But I dont judge, criticize, belittle, bash, or slander someone just
because their opinion may differ from mine. I am not a breeder, but I will
certainly stick up for the breeders I believe in! Including the ones I bought my
I am just as passionate about the doberman breed as the next
person, if not more. But I dont judge, criticize, belittle, bash, or slander
someone just because their opinion may differ from mine. I am not a breeder, but
I will certainly stick up for the breeders I believe in! Including the ones I
bought my dobermans from.
- I too am a breeder and agree with all thats been said about DT
, I'm still on there because I m scared my kennel or name will get brought up by
these ding bats that dont know me at all..I am waiting to defend myself. If they
like you its only for wile . I have always put at the bottem of my post (IMHO)
because thats what it is ! But they dont see it that way. I know I would never
sell a pup to anyone that is on there because all that will get you is problems
I show and test/ breed on a VERY small scale but yet they push breeders that are
breeding 4/5/6 litters a year ? and they dont even know it! double standerds
forsure. STAY away from DT .its bad news!
These people are vicious, they live to seek and destroy your
reputation if you disagree with them and their little clique and especially if
you are a breeder! They are ruthless to breeders! You're right, from the
Administrator to the Moderator, they need to go! Good luck, I hope this finally
works, this has been going on for way to long, glad someone is taking them on,
this could be a decent place with the right people.
Marie - I have two comments.
First, I posted on DT years ago and am very knowledgeable about genetics. The
moderators ripped me apart and said I was ignorant although none of them posted
what degrees they have. I switched to Dobermanhub and doberman-chat. Both are
Two, I had an email forwarded to me from a large kennel with information on a
class action lawsuit against DT and the posters who constantly defame everyone.
Does anyone have more information on it? I do not breed so I did not keep it. I
will be writing to the advertisers on DT. Some negative letters will shake their
Dobie lover in PA.
When I first joined DT,everyone was very helpful.We had a
total differant community to what it is now.Then new members came onto the
board,and basicly ruined a good forum.Everything was a heated debate/bashing
waiting to happen.It got to the point I no longer enjoyed the forum,and found it
much less informative-because I had to weed through the negative postings to get
any info I requested.(if the threads weren't closed first).
I strongly reccommend finding an alternate doberman forum community,for your
dobermann board needs.
- I can't count how many times I've been ridiculed and libeled
on these boards. Repeated requests to the point of begging to remove posts have
gone ignored by admin and moderators. They have actually come back with snide
remarks, like they enjoy seeing people hurt! I have personally seen Moderators
side with the bashers with absolutely no concern for the hurt party. I title and
test but still to no avail for these malicious people on DT. It's very sad to
see what they do to breeders who have been doing this for a long time and are
only out to better the breed. It's like they have nothing better to do than hurt
others while trying to make themselves look good, I guess it makes them feel
better about themselves. I wish we could get a class action suit against these
- Not at all impressed with this talk website... Dobermantalk is
a disgrace to the Doberman Pinscher breed.
A BIG part of the problem is the idiot moderators they have.
They like to stir the pot and dont stop the shit before it starts flying! They
delete or edit posts for those they are friends with, but damaging posts are
left. Worst forum I've ever been on!
I went on dobermantalk when my husband and I were considering
a puppy. Those people called me ignorant and said we had no business getting a
doberman. I had researched the breed for months. We had German Shepherds for 15
years and we were looking into getting our 1st dobe. We ended up going to the
Doberman-Chat site where everyone was very nice. Dobermantalk members are nasty
and belligerent towards those who ask what they consider "stupid" questions. I
personally would not recommend the site. I found no usefulness out of being a
member. I was also shocked to see how catty they were towards other breeders and
amongst themselves. Not my type of forum. I felt like I was in HighSchool and
didnt fit into their "click".
This persons comment is valid. The majority of users on DT are
genuinely nice people who share a common love of our breed. The problem is that
many people go on to the site to research a particular breeder and are
immediately attacked by the same group of users and the moderators/administrator
defamatory/inappropriate their posts are. When someone tries to defend a breeder
(or themselves), they are usually banned or at a minimum, attacked. I think this
site is a result of the frustration with the biased moderators and administrator
who clearly promote their own agenda as opposed to maintaining a level of
decorum on DT which would allow it to be a reliable source of information. There
are certainly breeders out there that deserve to be criticized but there are a
group of DT users who portray any breeder they don't like as BYB, crook or puppy
mill. They defame them horribly and no action is taken against them. If DT would
simply enforce their own rules evenly to ALL users and not just the ones the
mods/administrator disagree with, there wouldn't be a need for this site.
I spent several months on this forum, and got support from
people I thought were "friends" when my puppies were ill. When things went bad &
one of my puppies died, I again had their support, or so I thought. then i
posted something they didn't like & boy did they turn on me! I was told I
"deserved" going through parvo with both of my dogs because I goit them from a
BYB before I knew better. It'd been 16 years since my last dog 'purchase' so i
had no idea about the BYB issue! They said I was going to start a breeding
program because my husband got our family a new puppy shortly after one passed
away (because her sister -and myself- were suffering severely from depression).
ALL because they didn't know who I was buying from, so therefore I was again
buying from a BYB with no morals. THEIR OPINION! My breeder has been great, my
pup is now more than 2 & we still keep in touch. Someone they bashed. But then,
they bashed my pup because she had Hoytt lines. All oof my dogs are fixed, so
it'd be pretty hard to become a BYB as they suggested I was trying to do! The
hardest part of the situation was seeing people who had seemed to care while you
went through one of the worst experiences of my life turn on me in a flash
because they didn't like the breeder of our new pup & then bring up all this
pain we'd gone through the prior 7 months and use it against you. They like to
hear themselves talk, and they believe they are so FAR superior to anyone not in
their clique. I've had 23 years experience with the breed & I did learn a lot on
the forums...but the grief I went through when things went bad were so not worth
it! There are other , much more friendly & REALISTIC forums for average owners
who love their dogs, the Doberman breed, and want nothing but the best for their
PETS. Rather than catering to elitist SHOWPERSONS.
A Disgusted DT Member
- DT has moderators who are breeders that also bash breeders on
their forum who are not in their group.
If the moderators and administrators don't agree with your opinion they'll lock
down the thread. They have even demanded posts be deleted when members have no
access to delete anything. They are viscious, biased and do great harm to not
only breeders, but to individuals with whom they don't agree.
It is inappropriate and unprofessional to bash people and animals, but they do
it well and often.
I have to admit I did feel somewhat personally "attacked" when
asking rookie questions on the forum. I went to the forum looking for
experienced owners / breeders opinions and advice... What I got instead, it
would seem... was people who seem to think that doberman rookies shouldnt even
be on there asking questions... I feel very out of place not being a breeder or
doberman expert... which to me, defeats the purpose of the forum.
- The fact there is now an 11 page thread about beware of
DobermanTalk with ridicoulous photos shows the true maturity level of most the
members there. Someone posted a photo with the quote "Arguing on the Internet is
like running in the Special Olympics, Even if you win you are still retarded."
Okay another member commented that this offended her because she has a retarded
brother. NOBODY said anything or apologized for this comment....they DON'T CARE
who's feelings they hurt! To them people are just names on a screen, not HUMANS!
- For the record, I am the DT member with who spoke up about the
Special Olympics comment and the OP of that post did apologize to me privately.
As for DT, I think its a shame that a place that has such valuable information
can also be a place with so much venom. I think I figured it out today - it's
like Mean Girls... Hopefully this site will shed light on the negative side of DT (and any public
forum) if allowed to run amuck and civility is not enforced)and DT can be a
trusted, safe, authoritative source for the lovers of the Doberman breed.
a bunch of stupid girls. which have nothing in common with the
breed standard and dobrmann. Doberman they only garbage. I see them having fun.
view a word for DT, losers
ref painted 1 brush
The majority of users on DT are genuinely nice people who
share a common love of our breed. The problem is that many people go on to the
site to research a particular breeder and are immediately attacked by the same
group of users and the moderators/administrator do not enforce the terms of
use/manifesto to these repeat offenders despite how defamatory/inappropriate
their posts are. When someone tries to defend a breeder (or themselves), they
are usually banned or at a minimum, attacked. I think this site is a result of
the frustration with the biased moderators and administrator who clearly promote
their own agenda as opposed to maintaining a level of decorum on DT which would
allow it to be a reliable source of information. There are certainly breeders
out there that deserve to be criticized but there are a group of DT users who
portray any breeder they don't like as BYB, crook or puppy mill. They defame
them horribly and no action is taken against them. If DT would simply enforce
their own rules evenly to ALL users and not just the ones the mods/administrator
disagree with, there wouldn't be a need for this site.